Unit 6 - Where in the Hotel gains access to a pool table. No need for a bar.

[namedforcat]

[Early one evening, if one happens to walk through the hotel lobby, they may notice something that hadn't been there when they had left through those doors.

A pool table.

Thanks to that odd offer of the powers that be to give them back something from home, Gaignun (somewhat jokingly) asked for the pool table from his office, and got it much to his surprise. It's a well loved pool table, well made with a few nicks and scratches in the wood work that speaks to the fact that it actually got used.

So there it sits, in the side of the hotel lobby, fully decked out with a sign posted saying "Free to play, just take good care of it."

It's owner, a face familiar to mosmt is right now just happily noodling around on it, making random shots. Feel free to join him, he's always up for a game.]


[[ooc: So the hotel now has a pool table, which is free for anyone to use. It's now a fixture there until he finds somewhere else to put it so feel free to appropriate it for other threads and what not.]]

Comments

[truthsnomiracle]

I'm well aware of the cultural differences, Mr. Gaignun. Had we not experienced this disruption, our next task was to be to identify and gather representatives of such cultures in order to discuss those very differences and reach some form of agreement concerning the structure we need. Compromise would of course be inevitable.

Concerning the emotional aspect, that's precisely why I took the time to attempt to talk down those who would in their outrage overstep the boundary between aiding in the criminal's capture and acting as an executioner without so much as a trial.

[namedforcat]

That should still be our next task, disruption or no, the murders were just a catalyst. In fact, they demonstrate that such research is necessary in case something like this is to happen again.

[truthsnomiracle]

While you and I might agree about the necessity of such efforts, will our community's patience stretch so far under these conditions? I've only prosecuted Ryuunosuke Uryuu for his crimes against the natives; not only has he yet to answer for his crimes against his fellow kidnappees, but he could escape prison at the Dark Hour of his choosing.

[namedforcat]

I see your point. We can't have a separate court, no matter how much practical sense it makes. No matter where we're from we're under the judicial system of this place and should abide by it. Should we start ignoring it, why would we stay true to our own, should we develop one.

[He's interested to see Edgeworth's thought process on all this]

[truthsnomiracle]

OBJECTION!

If you believe that to be the point I was making, Mr. Kukai, then you've forgotten a key fact -- the entire reason why we do require a separate justice system is that the native one is inadequate to the task of keeping order amongst kidnappees! Aside from the fact that the natives are unaware of the supernatural aspects of the situation and cannot be made aware, as well as the facts that most of us cannot be imprisoned in any ordinary jail for longer than we wish to be and none of us can be executed to any useful effect, let us not forget that for obvious reasons the laws themselves don't reflect the realities of our own situation!

[namedforcat]

No it's not the point I think you're making. Far from it. [Coming from politics, Edgeworth's exclamation is nothing startling.]

Even if we were to have a separate judicial system, it is going cause just as many problems as it solves.

First off, development. We have a unique community here and from my experience no one likes to agree on things that impact their freedom of action, or what they believe correct action should be.

Secondly, as with the case you just worked on. Should we have a separate system, then he should be tried and convicted twice, which is a non-efficient use of resource and time. Since he's been convicted in the native court, he can hardly undergo whatever trial we propose while he's in prison there. Even if he stays, what sort of penalty can we impose that is worse or that can stick?

Thirdly, it creates an image that we are above the law of the land here. Admittedly, there are those among us who feel like that anyways because they were above the laws of their homes. [He has to sigh a little...knowing one such individual very personally.]

Admittedly my objection to your plan may be more based in ideals rather then facts, but I am curious to know all the angles of the issue.

[truthsnomiracle]

If there are no limits on what we allow each other to do as a community, how many others will be hurt? How many of those here hold themselves back merely because they're used to having to face the consequences of their actions, and for how long will peace persist if violence against one another remains the only significant consequence? Just last month, we saw an example of our community's lack of self-discipline. If we allow things to continue as they are, in time we'll find ourselves living in a bloodbath, whether due to criminals and vigilantes perpetuating ever-growing cycles of vengeance or other, more warlike kidnappees fighting over the opportunity to fill our increasingly apparent power vacuum! [Edgeworth smacks the pool table reflexively; good thing this one's made of sterner stuff than most, right?] Whether people enjoy lines being drawn or not, a few must be for their own sakes.

While the inefficiency in cases such as Ryuunosuke's are regrettable, how do you propose that it could be avoided? By the time the native trial ended, those present believed that I had prosecuted him for all but one of the murders that occurred instead of roughly half of them -- the fact that any of us had been murdered at all was entirely forgotten! [Another BANG.] I cannot prosecute crimes against us under these conditions, Mr. Kukai! Consider as well the case of Onimaru Miki -- her entire motive for her actions was rooted in things that we alone can perceive and retain knowledge of. Had I not convinced her to plead guilty, her life would have been ruined by a ruling of insanity!

Concerning punishment, admittedly I'm at a loss for what we could sentence the likes of Miss Onimaru to under the circumstances; however, I've had a flash of inspiration concerning a punishment for Ryuunosuke and others like him, which Mr. Ridgeley and Mr. Kihara are both interested in helping to make a reality.

As for your assertion that a law of our own would give the impression that we're above native law, what about this situation does not? The very existence of our Personas and our inevitable return from death could easily lead one to consider themselves something superior to the natives. These same factors also serve as reasons why depraved sorts would have no fear of native law. Furthermore, some laws that make sense in an ordinary society are ill-suited to our own situation; for example, dueling is illegal, yet try to imagine all the consequences were anyone to attempt to enforce such a ban rather than simply require proof of mutual consent.

[Is Edgeworth standing a little straighter?]

[namedforcat]

[Perfect, this is what he wanted to see. While he could understand the feeling behind 'Because it's the right thing to do', sometimes the right thing to do was handled very shoddily.Not to mention not well thought out and emotion charged (*cough*Stupid Jr*cough*). Perhaps bringing up these points may lower Edgeworth's opinion of him somewhat, but it was worth it to make sure all angles were covered. Defense must be iron-clad after all.

Also, thank goodness he'd splurged on the very solid real wood that the pool table was made of.]

Let us focus this discussion on one point at a time, since they each must be considered to their full potential. Starting with the issue of power. While I am pleased to hear that you have thought of a way that may serve as an effective punishment in this situation, how will you make the rest of the community agree to it's implementation. Just because something is 'logical' does not mean it will be accepted, or work right off the bat.

As a whole we lack leadership, though some, like Allen, have stepped up here and there. But they only have volunteered for specific tasks. There is a very real possibility that your suggestion will not be accepted, and if you seek to enforce it with out the backing of the majority of the community, you may well be seen as the very thing you are trying to prevent. We do not have a system for implementing these things with minimal fuss in the community yet.

Keywords trollolol.

[fractured_white]

*You shouldn't have let the table out of your sight, Nigredo. A couple days after you get it set up, you'll be finding your brother sprawled out on top of it, one foot propped up against the raised edge as he dozes lightly. It's not that the table is particularly comfortable, he just knows it belongs to Nigredo and wants to be a pest. At least his cape is between the hilt of his knife and the table?*

PFFT

[namedforcat]

[Honestly he should have expected this to happen sooner or later. He knew Albedo would figure out that the pool table was his and do something to use it as an annoyance. Stupid brothers.

Still, he has a plan. Speaking softly to the receptionist he gains a very ratty looking broom to go poke Albedo with.]

Best brother, right?

[fractured_white]

*That gets him to pull a face and growl in his sleep. It also gets him to lash out at the broom...better move it fast if you don't want to see if your big brother is still strong enough to snap a wooden pole.*

Forever and always. Except for Rubedo.

[namedforcat]

[Well, the pole gives an ominous crack, but doesn't completely break so he goes and keeps poking at him with it.]

Will you please get off of there. You're worse then a cat.

Rubedo doesn't count because he's assumed to be at the top.

[fractured_white]

*Then that pole is getting a second smack as he rolls over. He's actually awake by now, but he's pretending not to be just to be stubborn about it.*

Very true

[namedforcat]

[Ok, now it's broken. Oh well.]

Get up or this is going up your nose.

And they probably consider him in a league of his own anyway.

[fractured_white]

Something wrong with taking a nap, Nigredo?

*Nope, not getting up.*

Of course. Rubedo is special.

[namedforcat]

Not at all, except I take issue with where you happened to lay your cape.

[Lol, cape, instead of hat. Get it?]

[fractured_white]

*Okay then, he'll just be dragging his cape out from under him and dropping it over the side of the table.*

Better~?

[namedforcat]

[Inner face palm.]

No. Now get off, I want to play, or would you rather that I use you as the cue ball?

[fractured_white]

*He can be very literally minded when he knows it's going to annoy people.*

I was under the impression that this game was meant for two people.

[namedforcat]

Usually, though to practice one can play by themselves. However, if you wish to join me in that respect, I would not mind overmuch.

[crouching_sin]

[... To his credit, Naoya doesn't let that statement mess with his shot, though he does look amused at Gaignun.]

Much of this technology must seem quite primitive to you, then, given how humanity has a tendency to advance such at an increasing speed.

[namedforcat]

[Surprising Naoya, what a novel concept.]

It does, though I can easily see the prototypes for what we have back home. Computers, transportation, literature.

[fractured_white]

I've never had much interest in games of this sort.

*He's sitting up now...progress, right?*

[namedforcat]

[Success! Now to slowly make getting off the table attractive.]

Really? I find it rather meditative.

[fractured_white]

I suppose you would find dull games like this attractive.